tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.comments2024-01-03T00:52:19.030-08:00Les Leftoverschezjimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-61392198018015782232023-09-06T14:03:16.473-07:002023-09-06T14:03:16.473-07:00Thank you for taking the time to investigate this ...Thank you for taking the time to investigate this topic. I had teachers telling me this misinformation and I repeated it as an adult. I only recently heard otherwise and decided to google search the topic and landed on your blog. Excellent work. Thanks again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-27375051828817141302022-12-12T14:43:02.991-08:002022-12-12T14:43:02.991-08:00I think the founding of the Early English Text Soc...I think the founding of the Early English Text Society in 1864 along with the work going towards the creation of the Oxford English Dictionary cannot be discounted. Also work began on what becomes A Short-Title Catalogue of Books Printed in England, Scotland and Ireland, and of English Books Printed Abroad 1475–1640. Cookery books and manuscripts became sources of words, often unusual words to Johnnaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15877980970870710682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-84432847275143366062022-06-09T22:47:07.387-07:002022-06-09T22:47:07.387-07:00There is a joke, reputedly dating to the 16th cent...There is a joke, reputedly dating to the 16th century (when I heard it, the raconteur reported that it was to be found in "a book of jokes published in teh time of Henry VIII" - but he did not name the book and I have not seen it) which runs "What is the cleanest leaf in the greenwod? The holly - for no man durst wipe his arse thereon". If this is accurately reported as to JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811425002578955844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-19089870383971103462022-06-09T13:06:04.459-07:002022-06-09T13:06:04.459-07:00Hi Martyn.
Here's a modern overview:
https://...Hi Martyn.<br /><br />Here's a modern overview:<br />https://www.google.com/books/edition/Beer_in_the_Middle_Ages_and_the_Renaissa/7zivoNYc0uEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA133&printsec=frontcover<br /><br />Otherwise, there's a long list of such interdictions over the centuries. I believe these go back to the early Middle Ages, but what I'm finding just now starts in the thirteenth chezjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-80614917722216114412022-06-09T12:37:41.162-07:002022-06-09T12:37:41.162-07:00"at times producing beer was banned entirely ..."at times producing beer was banned entirely because of grain shortages. " - do you have sources you could give me for that?Martyn Cornellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16843357962176591317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-39228595041851649282022-06-09T07:10:24.280-07:002022-06-09T07:10:24.280-07:00Certainly a significant amount, though producing S...Certainly a significant amount, though producing SOME beer was often among a housewive's duties. But there is also the question of how much grain was used; at times producing beer was banned entirely because of grain shortages. And aside from the grain tenants used themselves, they often had to give some as rents.<br />As a practical matter, we see limited rations of beer being given as pay chezjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-70462580830302794312022-06-08T23:20:03.358-07:002022-06-08T23:20:03.358-07:00If you assumed that people drank only beer would i...If you assumed that people drank only beer would it not require A LOT OF TIME AND WORK to produce this much beer?Vagn Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14916225009142911655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-68392923037405180332021-12-19T09:17:29.810-08:002021-12-19T09:17:29.810-08:00Excellent article (though I believe this is just o...Excellent article (though I believe this is just one of several finds).<br /><br />You might be interested in my Facebook group on early medieval food:<br /><br />Medieval Food before the Crusades<br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/1606317516269587chezjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-24939155766971044582021-12-19T02:49:39.439-08:002021-12-19T02:49:39.439-08:00Jim, thank you for your kind reply -- it is intere...Jim, thank you for your kind reply -- it is interesting (this is all far out of my expertise). I actually stumbled across your site as I was curious about the truth of / reasons why they drank young wine in the Middle Ages. You cleared that up for me nicely!<br /><br />In case you are interested, I did hunt down the source for where barrels have been found:<br /><br />https://Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706286347311225900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-25115855240409307242021-12-18T09:19:37.664-08:002021-12-18T09:19:37.664-08:00Hi Sean -
Thank you first of all for scrupulously ...Hi Sean -<br />Thank you first of all for scrupulously documenting your response.<br /><br />The Gauls were both north of the Alps ("Transalpine Gauls") and on the same side as the Romans ("Cisalpine Gauls" the prefix 'cis' now being better known in opposition to 'trans'). So just knowing these were Gauls does not tell us which are in question. But Strabo chezjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-53563256023294515302021-12-18T07:30:28.422-08:002021-12-18T07:30:28.422-08:00Hi Jim,
Re. the barrels: Pliny (A.D. 75 or so) sai...Hi Jim,<br />Re. the barrels: Pliny (A.D. 75 or so) said they came from the Gauls in the Alps. It seems that wine barrels have not been found south of Marseilles or so in Roman times (I don't have the source with me).<br /><br />http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D14%3Achapter%3D27Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706286347311225900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-4414031547439264242021-09-09T22:55:18.430-07:002021-09-09T22:55:18.430-07:00There is simply no evidence for such a claim. In t...There is simply no evidence for such a claim. In the post after this, I trace the actual history of the term. No source I looked at shows any sign of this tale.chezjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-70288590626590801782021-09-09T00:20:04.320-07:002021-09-09T00:20:04.320-07:00Dear sir, this is a very interesting discussion an...Dear sir, this is a very interesting discussion and with a young baker in the family has been discussed many times. Also we have two houses, one near Metz and another on the South west coast so we have to be careful where we are!<br />However on a few occasions in the south west I have heard, well informed locals, mention the reason it is called a Chocolatine is because the English would keep Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441570442787064526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-23226141132174644802020-05-11T16:58:40.952-07:002020-05-11T16:58:40.952-07:00What you're referring to were banal mills, run...What you're referring to were banal mills, run by lords or monasteries. Typically tenants were obliged to use them. They didn't leave, I think, because it was a long trek in many cases, but often they did mark the loaves, yes. It was pretty standard on big estates.<br /><br />Otherwise, who baked how often depended when and where. In the early middle ages, baking was largely a household chezjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552197985756973087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-83072525811300490452020-05-11T16:42:11.096-07:002020-05-11T16:42:11.096-07:00Loved reading this!
Do you know of any sources th...Loved reading this!<br /><br />Do you know of any sources that go into the details of who baked breads during the medieval period and how often? I recall reading something about how most people (because having a household oven wasn't common) would bring their premade bread dough to a central (village?) oven for baking. They'd have to come back later for it and would usually attempt to David https://www.blogger.com/profile/17990525425532211865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-25023220511974827752020-01-04T04:14:52.836-08:002020-01-04T04:14:52.836-08:00What do Peacocks eat?<a href="https://what-do-animals-eat.com/peacocks/" rel="nofollow">What do Peacocks eat?</a>Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03189180411049476177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-58762878604237953002019-12-15T15:12:39.791-08:002019-12-15T15:12:39.791-08:00I love this, thank you! Now I want to take a paint...I love this, thank you! Now I want to take a paintbrush to my wine glasses and copy some of these inscriptions. "If it pleases you to fight, seek enemies elsewhere." Pamhttp://www.pamlynn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-72242830937782210542019-10-28T15:45:31.900-07:002019-10-28T15:45:31.900-07:00great article on frankish dishesgreat article on frankish dishesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-74207425158053173142019-09-15T04:58:41.034-07:002019-09-15T04:58:41.034-07:00Watching an episode of Tales of Irish Castles on N...Watching an episode of Tales of Irish Castles on Netflix led me here. The claim was made that water was unsafe to drink and I immediately thought "that's not true". Before googling and finding your excellent post, it occurred to me that: to have beer you need water. Would mediaevals or ancients be so stupid as to use contaminated water to make beer? Beer requires other ingredients Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17011716079834461085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-68151926490068808662019-08-16T16:43:33.523-07:002019-08-16T16:43:33.523-07:00This is a very good article. I was always convince...This is a very good article. I was always convinced that this was true, but I never examined the idea critically.<br />I guess this is like that old "People in the past all believed the earth was flat" thing, which definitely isn't true.One Other Personhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14007996287379453929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-9049345136918315642019-08-16T16:25:12.271-07:002019-08-16T16:25:12.271-07:00"horses that need strengthening should drink ..."horses that need strengthening should drink water that has flowed from a sewer, or a river in which much garbage and blood and excrements have been found"<br />Those poor horses.One Other Personhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14007996287379453929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-39525979471531651112019-08-16T16:16:27.191-07:002019-08-16T16:16:27.191-07:00I recall hearing that there were implements used, ...I recall hearing that there were implements used, something to scrape one's butt clean, but I don't know how true that is.One Other Personhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14007996287379453929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-57103584320442219452019-08-01T07:55:11.250-07:002019-08-01T07:55:11.250-07:00Re: Hildegard of Bingen's writings on the heal...Re: Hildegard of Bingen's writings on the healthfulness of water in various rivers : She could have been misled about the poor quality of some of the rivers, if she received the information from other people and not her own experience, just like apparently reasonable people today are misled by supposedly informed people telling them that medieval people avoided drinking any water.CVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760251500519829347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-89286770024077397072019-08-01T07:54:57.418-07:002019-08-01T07:54:57.418-07:00Re: Hildegard of Bingen's writings on the heal...Re: Hildegard of Bingen's writings on the healthfulness of water in various rivers : She could have been misled about the poor quality of some of the rivers, if she received the information from other people and not her own experience, just like apparently reasonable people today are misled by supposedly informed people telling them that medieval people avoided drinking any water.CVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760251500519829347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605157142783588112.post-50557938831356869772019-04-26T00:25:57.739-07:002019-04-26T00:25:57.739-07:00Excuse me, but may be netter to add measure units ...Excuse me, but may be netter to add measure units for period price, to avoid misunderstanding?<br /><br />Beaune wine cost in 1421 is 1 sous and salt in 1413-1426 is more than 1 livre. But in prices of year 1894, wine is 36F, salt - 0.2C.<br />So 1 sou = 36f, 1 livre = 0.2c.Arunyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021107856772671039noreply@blogger.com